tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post9080626412604958252..comments2023-07-05T06:55:53.577-04:00Comments on College Ready Writing: Peer-Driven Learning: Plagiarism, Motivation, and AcceptanceLee Skallerup Bessette, PhDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12243750156552824701noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-27783172855444595142012-03-29T12:08:09.261-04:002012-03-29T12:08:09.261-04:00You obviously care about what you're doing, an...You obviously care about what you're doing, and that's more than half the battle. My experience tells me that in a class of 20 to 30 students, I can't expect more than two or three to show any caring, a lacking I couple with the immaturity of youth. I used to tell my son, "Youth is wasted on the young," and he would counter with, "and so is education." I was thrown out of English class in high school for belching. Now look at me...a virtual teacher committed to helping students learn the art and craft of writing. I agree with those who say you're too hard on yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-23511920541259473692011-12-18T09:59:22.432-05:002011-12-18T09:59:22.432-05:00There is only so much we can do as educators. Don...There is only so much we can do as educators. Don't forget students need to be responsible for their learning. When my students plagiarize, I let them know I know it is plagiarism and return the paper to them. I treat it as if it was not handed in. They can redo and hand it in. You have some great ideas. This is why it is important to have time to sit and discuss concerns and ideas with other educators for our own sanity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18162938444781975347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-84558704401901444272011-12-18T09:41:00.161-05:002011-12-18T09:41:00.161-05:00This semester (Spring '12), I am definitely go...This semester (Spring '12), I am definitely going to incorporate Peer-Review session before handing in their paper to me. This is a great idea!!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18162938444781975347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-10670677419302127082011-10-15T19:21:48.062-04:002011-10-15T19:21:48.062-04:00I sympathise with you completely. I teach 2 sectio...I sympathise with you completely. I teach 2 sections of the same course (second year cell biology) and see the exact same kinds of differences that you are describing. This week I did a midterm student evaluation, to get some feedback on what is working. Both classes has about 200 students in attendance. In one class I got 140 responses, in the other I got 84. In the 84 class most of the comments were more or less the "why can't you just give us the answers? Why don't you tell us enough so we don't have to ask questions?" type. It was demoralizing.<br /><br />Its frustrating when you work so hard to make it the best possible learning environment that you can, and they don't even care. It makes it hard to stand here and do what I do some days.<br /><br />In the end of the day I live by the idea that you can't teach anyone anything. You can only give them the best conditions in which to learn for themselves... the rest is up to them. I can't force them to learn... or even to care. But I really wish that I could.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-52391316118015426912011-10-15T16:05:29.807-04:002011-10-15T16:05:29.807-04:00You did your 50% (sounds like 80%, actually) but t...You did your 50% (sounds like 80%, actually) but the students didn't do their part. You can't force students to care or to do the work. You can't prevent them from cheating, either.<br /><br />Sounds as though you are being too hard on yourself.Henry Adamshttp://chronicle.com/article/Academic-Bait-and-Switch-/128768/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-49877423830641112532011-10-15T09:15:22.635-04:002011-10-15T09:15:22.635-04:00Sometimes, a good teacher needs to discern what th...<i>Sometimes, a good teacher needs to discern what the students want or need, even in a peer-driven setting.</i><br /><br />I don't pretend to know how you should change your approach to help your students learn, but I do know I hear so many complaints from students about group projects.<br /><br />The blatant plagiarism is depressing to hear about, but not too surprising. <a href="http://costofcollege.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/student-cheating-sats-the-internet-and-ted-kennedy/" rel="nofollow"> Student cheating – the SAT, the Internet, and Ted Kennedy</a>Gracehttp://costofcollege.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-88399583204387269062011-10-14T08:38:02.238-04:002011-10-14T08:38:02.238-04:00Your benchmark cannot be 100% of the students will...Your benchmark cannot be 100% of the students will be engaged and focused and doing great work. It just can't.<br /><br />I see lots of evidence of excellent teaching here. You are adapting and helping students. How does the 50% engaged (coming full of ideas and making a new plan) compare to the level of engagement in the peer-driven process in the 1st week of the course? Is that more students who are genuinely engaged in the process?<br /><br />And how many of the students you worked with in the computer lab are now more engaged in the process.<br /><br />I think you are focusing too hard on the half of the glass that's empty.JoVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16680602039278597976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6529647435872563341.post-15754947761852952332011-10-14T04:34:33.850-04:002011-10-14T04:34:33.850-04:00Taking the plagiarism case out of the picture for ...Taking the plagiarism case out of the picture for a moment, might some of the general lack of motivation be due to:<br /><br /> - A failure to see the importance in what they are doing;<br /> - The fact that this is peer-driven and, therefore, related to the group as opposed to the individual?<br /><br />There are probably a number of reasons why class members are resisting, even though you're trying to give them so much free reign. The following two papers are well worth a read:<br /><br />http://ijikm.org/Volume5/IJIKMv5p115-125Gafni448.pdf<br />http://jmd.sagepub.com/content/27/1/5.abstractMartin Hugheshttp://theuniversityblog.co.uk/noreply@blogger.com